• kingsnead412

    Just gonna say I’m tired of bitching and nitpicking of anything SW. It’s not like any of you have the talent to do anything better. I loved TFA for it’s similarities to ANH and it’s differences. If your a true fan you wouldn’t come to SW sites and bitch about it, your just a troll. Also tired of the whining about no black directors or female directors. Life isn’t fair, get over it.

  • Keep things civil. Lovers and haters of Disney Star Wars and those involved in its production are welcome here. Just keep the political bull-shit, inflammatory rhetoric and personal attacks to minimum. Stay on topic…. stay on topic.

  • Brian Cropper

    Like any classic good versus evil tale, what you need for a good story is an imposing villain for your hero. In TFA, we had Kylo Ren…..but thats about it. Hux was a screaming ninny. Phasma underused and ineffective. The Guavians and Kanjiklub Rathtar fodder. First Order stormtroopers…with the exception of the destruction of Maz Kanatas castle, meh. Oh there was that firing of the the Starkiller Base weapon…destroyed a few planets. Could have been played up more dont ya think?

  • WeenieBeenie

    As Obi wan first believed about Jedi, only white men can be directors of Star Wars!!! A lead female protagonist, perhaps, but no women directors of a SW flick, ever! HE is our last hope….there is another? Nah, not really.

    • J.R. Raz

      Oh shut up with all that. The only person making it about race and gender is you. They picked the person most qualified for the job. Maybe find something better to do than spam this thread with your constant bitching.

      • WeenieBeenie

        11 Star Wars films now…and 10 directors (three were fired) nary a women or person of color is qualified to direct??? The most qualified person out of 11 films and 10 directors is ALWAYS a white man?

  • Paulskywalker

    Wow the moaning out of people, you’d think it was a crap movie. Even Lucas said SW has reoccurring themes, and TFA only had a couple of ANH elements. The only thing i’d want Abrams to do this time is put some classic aliens in other than in the resistance base. I know directors want to add something new but you need to consistency and familiarity in the background too.

    • WeenieBeenie

      Only a couple? As in, a scene-by-scene recreation of ANH?!? Unreal. Yes ANH borrowed the feeling of Lawrence of Arabia, Flash Gordon, and other elements of mythology, but it was its own film. Force Awakens was a scene-by-scene reshoot of ANH. No originality at all.

      • Paulskywalker

        A scene by scene reshoot, we’re you watching the same movie. I don’t remember stolen TIE’s, treasonous stormtroopers, aliens creatures escaping on a ship etc in ANH.

        • WeenieBeenie

          Gimme a break! Those are story elements, not scenes. From Tatooine to Jakku, from farm boy to junk collector, from Death Star to Star Killer, from Mos Eisley’s Space Port/Cantina to Maz Kanata’s “Castle,” from Ben’s sacrifice to Han’s, from the Death Star trench run to the Starkiller base destruction. Its…just…the…SAME….MOVIE.

          • dogbite

            Should I point out how similar TPM is to ANH or is that too inconvenient for your agenda?

          • WeenieBeenie

            No need, I rather agree. Key elements of the story were different, however, as the Republic was the looming enemy to come. But essentially, those two films are also very similar. And both are equally as bad films, as most fans agree. They share in common that neither was a very good movie.

          • WeenieBeenie

            No need, I rather agree. Key elements of the PM story were different, however, as the Republic was the looming enemy to come. But essentially, those two films (ANH and PM) are also very similar–as the pod racing scene was something Lucas just imagined for the first film but never undertook. But that’s where PM and FA have something in common, both are equally as bad films, as most fans agree. They share in common that both replicated ANH and neither was a very good movie. Is that the low bar to which we are holding Abrams against???

          • dogbite

            I love George’s “It’s poetry!” take on the Saga, so I think TFA kinda had to be what it was. This by no means exonerates TLJ or IX from being carbon copies of ESB or RotJ, however.

            I’ve heard other fans try to argue this mirror image to the OT holds up throughout the prequels, but I just don’t see it, which is why I’m ready & hoping to see things go off the rails on these next couple of films.

          • WeenieBeenie

            No, the Second and Third films seem to me to be the most unique since Episodes IV and V. We agree on that too. Of course, I thought Ep. II was one of the worst in the series, so uniqueness doesn’t mean its any good. I really only liked the prequels once we get to the second half of Ep. III. But I like the *idea* of them and think Lucas had a great concept–that individual evil comes from the greediness to not accept death and that Democracies can be Empires (the enemy is us). Powerful concepts, terrible execution. But the vision—we don’t just have that in these new films. Not at all.

          • dogbite

            I wouldn’t necessarily say there are no themes in this sequel trilogy. If Rey turns out to be of more humble origin than that of a Skywalker – a nobody – they then seem to really be pushing an “Everyone can be special!” type of message. Which for some reason longtime fans are really at odds with, complaining it represents too PC an agenda thanks to LFL parent company.

            I dunno. I’m thoroughly on the fence; I think the saga films should stay focused on the Skywalker story, & bringing in Rey as an outsider (while bold) isn’t exactly what I envision as ideal for this trilogy. Then again, if we get a Disney spin on Jacen/Jaina=Ben/Rey, capitalizing on the theme of family, can that be seen as satisfying or even considered original?

            The true strength of TFA is that you’re right, they basically told the start to a story in a format that’s now been done 3 different ways, & from here on out either of the two options I’ve theorized above could be just as plausible based on what we’ve seen, along with who knows how many other possibilities, & that is why I defend it: with the prequels, we knew the end going in, not necessarily how we’d get there but that we’d have to wind up with no more Jedi & a guy clad in black who can’t breathe right.

            The mystery is back in Star Wars for the first time since the OT’s theatrical run all those years ago, & we have no idea what’s in store. That to me is exciting, which is of itself the very essence of Star Wars.

          • WeenieBeenie

            I am not sure Rey is a Skywalker…I suspect she is a Palpatine, perhaps? Well, mystery was something Lucas couldn’t really deliver to a prequal, in all fairness. For me, the new movies are flat for 2 reasons: 1. I hated that they brought back the ensemble cast and never brought them back together. It had no emotional resonance for me, because of that failure. To have Leia hug Rey when Solo dies was so awful and typical of Abrams–he only knows how to copy with aesthetic similarities, but no emotional resonance. Luke, Han, Chewie, Leia, and even Lando deserved one more moment together. That’s what the fans wanted–one more run for the ensemble cast. 2. It wasn’t just that FM mirrored a ANH, it just felt like a forced nostalgia trip rather than its own story. Sure, the prequals repeat some themes from the original trilogy, but Lucas is right…he made original movies (albeit badly executed dialogue) with original storylines. The prequals look and feel different while the 35 year difference between ROJ and FA still has X Wings, Ties, and A-Wings now 50 years old). The Death Star and Starkiller base were just beyond ridiculous storylines that rendered the second half of FA just really boring and predictable to me. Anyways, my critical opinion, but there it is.

      • Justin Szarabajka

        Weenie, I think you’re wrong. I’m not beefing with you, just contesting your ‘remake’ charge. For concision, lemme point you to a really good podcast on the subject. I linked it down below in a reply to Gen. Hux. It makes concise points about all the ways that the ingredients may be familiar, but the uses, dramatic tensions and arcs, and emerging themes are quite fresh. I would even push it further and call them radical.

        • WeenieBeenie

          Oh dear, Abrams, radical?! Say it ain’t so?!? We will just have to agree to disagree. I found FA not only a complete facsimile of ANH, but also terrifically predictable and boring and lacking any real emotional resonance or connection. Once I got over the nostalgia of seeing Ford as Solo again, I felt the film had really nothing to offer–and that killing Solo felt forced, predictable, hollow, and without any emotional connection to the characters. Oh, he died? Bummer, lemme hug Rey (who I don’t know) instead of Chewie and then let’s blow this Starkiller Base and get outta here! They had a good premise in the search for Skywalker, but made it totally banal and predictable with the destory “Starkiller” base storyline–more than a retread the second half of the film was an obtuse and laughable plot reuse that would have been better used on Space Balls 2 than the next chapter in Star Wars. Hardly radical. I think you really go too far even if you liked this retread movie.

          • Justin Szarabajka

            I’m not a Starkiller fan, and might’ve omitted it–though it is very much the habit of militaristic regimes to just keep building bigger guns. I think, though, this distracts from a lot of much deeper, more original work with the characters. The way Rey wants fundamentally different things from Luke; Kylo Ren’s intensely self-destructive and contradictory rejection of/thirst for approval; everyone’s relationship to the OT events being based in myth, hero-worship, and oversimplification–it’s all quite new. Give the podcast. If it doesn’t at least gain a little ground for my argument, it’s still smart and enjoyable analysis, even if you refute all points.

  • Barney Dunn

    Maybe J.J. can flesh out the Lor San Tekka backstory.

  • Linuspumpkin

    So disappointing.

  • WeenieBeenie

    More evidence that the Last Jedi is going to be a bad film…a very bad film, I fear.

    • 80sRobot

      I originally voted you up… but I just don’t want to agree… even though I fear the same thing. :

  • WeenieBeenie

    You know…for all the fan backlash against George Lucas, I wish Disney had convinced Lucas to do this last film. Say what you will about the prequels — that the dialogue was terrible and the CGI quashed the story, but one thing that was true was that Lucas retained a vision and a imagination and even a story (that the enemy is us) that was unique and grand. I am sorry, but J.J. Abrams is a hack! Force Awakens was a sorry remake. It should have brought the greatest ensemble cast back together, but only brought the main characters back without bringing the ensemble back together. It was a great loss. Now its too late. I don’t want to see a boring remake of Return of the Jedi. I think the nostalgia that surrounded Force Awakens was, for lack of a better term, FORCED and not part of the Force. Abrams is a hack! Bring back George!!!!

  • Norman Szymanski

    For God”s sake….don’t give this man a pen to write any of it! Do not let him decide what the spaceships will look like! Do not let him decide what aliens to use and what the costumes will look like. If JJ does NOT touch those things….he will make a good movie. Also….don’t let him decide the location shoots or what the planets and civilizations will look like. Yeah….I’m all for this, then. 🙂

  • Paulskywalker

    I think he did a good job, so I’m pleased with the news. All else fails Ron Howard will step in, bet he’s bloody kicking himself he didn’t get in there first..

  • Jason

    Oh well so much for the sequels getting better…

  • Justin Szarabajka

    I’m quite stoked. My first pick might’ve been Johnson writing with a female director that’s been kicking ass–DuVernay or Jenkins, or someone from TV (like the Handmaid’s Tale, which saw a few really bravura episodes from Reed Morano). But JJ’s ideas about the new characters revering the OT characters as myths or historical titans created a lot of energy and I’m on board to see him finish what he started–especially with a deep thinker like Johnson infusing some mysticism and heavy psychology into the conflicts.

  • Hazzbro Jonez

    wamppppp woooooooaaawwwwww

  • Fiery Little One

    I suspected they’d go with somebody they knew could do it.

  • 80sRobot

    Really sorry to say, but this further makes me worry about TLJ. Now, it sounds like nobody had a problem with Johnson on a professional level, but the issue seems to have been his writing of TLJ. There have been rumblings that TLJ will be disappointing, a bit too quirky for what the general audience expects from a Star Wars movie, and that it feels disconnected from the greater Star Wars universe canon, including the movie that preceded it.

    Actually, I am shocked that Lucasfilm/KK have gone back to JJ. This move seems to confirm concerns over TLJ. It feels like Disney approved or wanted this move in order to mitigate any disappointment over TLJ, and to reassure fans and, especially, shareholders that the Star Wars brand was still on track. The reason why this move happened so soon could be due to the end of this business quarter and the next one starting up in October — the last quarter in which TLJ will premiere (December).

    I am tamping down my expectations for TLJ when I enter the theater.

    • Simon P

      Huh, where are you getting this from? There hasn’t been a single rumor about anyone at Disney disliking TLJ, quite the opposite. TLJ has been the one and the only one that has been smooth sailing the whole time.

      And the word is that they went to Rian Johnson to do 9, but he declined and so they fell back on JJ. From Deadline which had the exclusive…

      “Rian Johnson decided not to take the offer to come back and replace the recently departed Colin Trevorrow on Star Wars: Episode IX”

      • BB-Mate

        Simon P knows what he is talking about. I am with you on that one mate

      • Justin Szarabajka

        Yo, dude–thanks for your backup on, you know…the other thing in the other place. Jeez. I shan’t let the door hit me on the way out.

        • Simon P

          Ya sure thing, I finally got kicked too, lol. Oh well, Yakface rules!

          • Justin Szarabajka

            I was waaaaaay out of there after that exchange anyway. I did see in notifications, though, that our entire argument was later removed–including the parts where I was just asking even-tempered questions that then drew insane attacks and baseless assumptions. Too bad; it was a great example of the irrational escalation that turns what could be conversations into rants and warfare. Usually persecution complexes like that come with at least a little analysis, however warped.

            Looks like there are plenty of clear-headed folk here that also dislike TFA, though, so should be good times ahead–but it seems quiet here. Is this just a less trafficked site in general? Or are there far fewer comments about something as huge as Abrams’ rehire than there are at Ye Other Place because it’s less caustic here?

          • Simon P

            Ya, add to that the irony of the announcement yesterday, lol.

            Jayson does a good job of setting expectations here and providing a good example. As a result Yakface and Flyguy are my top go to sources!

          • No, not less traffic. (A handful of the same people posting dozens of comments doesn’t mean a lot of traffic.) I try to keep the conversations topical, apolitical and have them not veer off into unrelated tangents and side discussions that easily snowball into conflict if left unchecked.

          • Justin Szarabajka

            Well, Mr. Krebsbach, you do a great job, and the result is a very appealing site. Hats off to you in gratitude for your work, sir.

          • Mlox

            Justin – Just so you know, that “argument” you had over at TheOtherPlace is not entirely lost. I took screenshots of it before it was deleted. Let me know if you’d like copies of them. They include a response I wrote as well, but was labeled as “spam” before it was actually posted. I don’t know if that was because of PH or Disqus. Either way, I couldn’t believe it got so heated unnecessarily.

          • Justin Szarabajka

            That’s quick thinking, Mlox. Thanks for that. I would indeed like a copy. I’m curious what your response was. More than anything, though, I’m not proud of my own behaviour in that fracas and would like to put a critical eye on it in hopes that next time I might conduct myself with more grace. I still feel I received unfounded accusations and unwarranted attacks, but I certainly escalated things, and that’s no way to be. In my counterattack I probably exceeded the bounds of reason, accuracy and fairness.

    • David Cruz

      You are a prime example of how negative expeculation is started on the web today. SMH… Stick with the 80s man…

    • Danny

      “There have been rumblings that TLJ will be disappointing”

      Where? lmao. Besides your rumblings, there have been no rumors whatsoever about this.

    • dogbite

      Pfft, if there was any problem at all they woulda yanked Johnson by now & given it to someone else to finish. Trank, Edwards, Lord/Miller & now Trevorrow all but confirms this.

    • hammyhamster

      I’m liking the cut of your comment.

  • SID

    Not least bit surprised… But was hoping/holding out for a better choice…. Aka a real veteran filmmaker.

  • Stereotypical Evil Archer

    Yikes! Sounds more like a Disney decision than a Lucasfilm decision.

  • General Hux

    I have mixed emotions on this, I love TFA…But JJ’s originality concerns me.

    • SID

      Originally? Lol. That’s a good one.

    • Hazzbro Jonez

      if someone told me 15 years ago that the dude who did the blundering TV SHOW called Lost would be DIRECTING A MAJOR TENTPOLE movie i would have spat in their face lol.

      again to paraphrase Allen Iverson, we up here talking about LOST. A TV SHOW. THAT WAS AWFUL.

    • Justin Szarabajka

      General, I would like to vouch for the originality at work in TFA. The shortest way is to recommend a really smart story analyst whose podcast takes this on. (I dropped this at JTA, too, with no takers.)

      http://pointnorthmedia.com/story-and-star-wars-9-the-force-awakens/

      • General Hux

        I’ll definitely check it out, I’m not saying there isn’t any originality, I think there is for sure. But J.J. in general struggles with TRUE originality.

        • Justin Szarabajka

          Sure. But TFA played perfectly to his strengths, and I think he did what many great filmmakers would’ve failed at. He revered the core vibe and concerns of SW but brought a lot of new ideas to it: a protagonist seeking not glory and adventure but home and family, one who delights in skills and systems for themselves rather than the power they bring; an antagonist struggling through adolescence and rage instead of paternalistic pragmatism; a political foe less interested in control than revenge.

        • Justin Szarabajka

          Meant to add that Johnson will be injecting the weird and original; JJ can then work within established parameters but bring it home with a lot of heart and epic energy, which he has in spades (when he loves the material, as he clearly does here–as opposed to say Star Trek).

          • bobcat

            that might be the best case scenario and makes sense based on those two guys writing styles. if Abrams has something awesome to work with then maybe the last 2 will be better then TFA. Riann Johnson might be saving this trilogy! will see in 3 months!

  • Golden_Rod

    I’m just glad we’re getting new Star Wars movies.

    • Simon P

      Ya, I’m happy as is.

    • Hazzbro Jonez

      yea im just glad to have anything and everything handed to me without analyzing it, yall are too whiny

  • Mateo Galvez

    Should have been directed by David Lynch lol

    • Brian Beck

      Blue Velvet did involve missing body parts and a guy who breathed through a mask 🙂

    • SID

      If only. I love that ROTJ story. It’s ironic he said NO an went and made DUNE anyway which has more then a few elements of ROTJ in the film.

  • RumSleg

    Very disappointed.

  • Rykrof_Enloe

    I’m fine with this.